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alemborneo_125z Laskar Muda
Posts : 25 Join date : 18/10/2009 Age : 34 Location : Kuching,Sarawak
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:05 am | |
| cmner lak dgn prob blok yg da bikin tp rpm xnaik2 pun smpai 10-11 stp... pelik la ku... ingt b4 ku bawa motor blk kat borneo nk setting moto bg kaw2... ade cdgn xmane pomen yg blh thn wat motor.... | |
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S-T-P Laskar Kelas I
Posts : 185 Join date : 07/07/2009 Age : 36 Location : Jasin melaka
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:35 am | |
| uiks x naik ker.... block aper yang dah di mody | |
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archonixm Laskar Muda
Posts : 47 Join date : 15/09/2009 Age : 37 Location : Puchong
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:08 am | |
| tadi aku hentam moto sampai 10k rpm, lawan ngan kete, ingat kete biasa rupenyer fairlady 350z patut la 1000 tiang kene tinggal hahahah...malu eden... | |
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WKQ4913 Support Crew
Posts : 1565 Join date : 04/04/2009 Age : 37 Location : Sentul KL
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:54 am | |
| - mousepink wrote:
- aku terjumpa kt katalog 125z...adakah ini graf hp 125z?sesapa leh explain..
betul latu graf dyno 125z standard gaban... | |
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S-T-P Laskar Kelas I
Posts : 185 Join date : 07/07/2009 Age : 36 Location : Jasin melaka
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:11 am | |
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azdli90 Kadet
Posts : 1443 Join date : 13/09/2009 Age : 33 Location : BEsut+terengganu
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:27 pm | |
| salam kepada otai..ni bukan paper...juz ingin tahu...betol ker...setiap 1 rpm x 20 kmh...contoh...rpm8= 160kmh...??? | |
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S-T-P Laskar Kelas I
Posts : 185 Join date : 07/07/2009 Age : 36 Location : Jasin melaka
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:04 pm | |
| maner ader x leh kira cam tue | |
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azdli90 Kadet
Posts : 1443 Join date : 13/09/2009 Age : 33 Location : BEsut+terengganu
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:45 pm | |
| ooo...ok..juz tanyer jer... | |
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WKQ4913 Support Crew
Posts : 1565 Join date : 04/04/2009 Age : 37 Location : Sentul KL
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:17 pm | |
| yep,x semestinye..kene tgk pade ratio spoket gak.. | |
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S-T-P Laskar Kelas I
Posts : 185 Join date : 07/07/2009 Age : 36 Location : Jasin melaka
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:30 am | |
| kat ner nak try hp and baper cos dier yer | |
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WKQ4913 Support Crew
Posts : 1565 Join date : 04/04/2009 Age : 37 Location : Sentul KL
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:33 am | |
| - S-T-P wrote:
- kat ner nak try hp
and baper cos dier yer UTMRacing setapak KL.. RM50 kot sekali test..aku pun x sure sbb aku free..hehe | |
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S-T-P Laskar Kelas I
Posts : 185 Join date : 07/07/2009 Age : 36 Location : Jasin melaka
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:45 am | |
| huhuhu eh ejas tuk harga kwn2 ahaha nie tuk check jer kan | |
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superjoemanito Laksamana Armada
Posts : 2843 Join date : 12/06/2009
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:47 am | |
| aku nk buat gak la mende nie,wan ko bwk moto aku blh,msti free,kui3x.. | |
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WKQ4913 Support Crew
Posts : 1565 Join date : 04/04/2009 Age : 37 Location : Sentul KL
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:54 am | |
| - superjoemanito wrote:
- aku nk buat gak la mende nie,wan ko bwk moto aku blh,msti free,kui3x..
haha bleh je joe,no hal..hehe | |
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chocolate Laksamana Armada
Posts : 3215 Join date : 22/03/2009 Age : 37 Location : terengganu,bangi,kuala lumpur
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:58 am | |
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S-T-P Laskar Kelas I
Posts : 185 Join date : 07/07/2009 Age : 36 Location : Jasin melaka
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:25 am | |
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archonixm Laskar Muda
Posts : 47 Join date : 15/09/2009 Age : 37 Location : Puchong
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:49 pm | |
| Aku x paham la
2 stroke 125cc = 17.86hp 4 stroke 150cc (cbr150)=17/18hp
padahal 2 storke nie dua kali je turun naik, sepatutnye dia nie 2x hp dr 4stroke patut 2 stroke dh 30hp dah camnie........xlogik btol?
sape bole terangkan? wan? amacam?
-edit-
aku check web, aprilia 125cc 2 stroke = 30hp
nie br the true power of 2 stroke
sedey tupai aku x kwat........yamaha jahat nie dengki kt tupai lol...nk bagi laici naik. | |
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chocolate Laksamana Armada
Posts : 3215 Join date : 22/03/2009 Age : 37 Location : terengganu,bangi,kuala lumpur
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:52 pm | |
| cbr dia x guna plain 4 stroke technology,dia ada dohc,kendian dia punya karb besar mana
tupai ni plak guna plain 2 stroke technology,xde power valve mcm aperla tu,lg tupai punya karb stended 22mm,aperla tu plg kecik 28mm
lg cbr guna coolent,tupai xde,aperla ada..coolent ni main peranan gak dlm hp sesuatu muto
lg satu material enjin,u got what u spend..eh btol ke
lawan cbr tu sepatutnya tzm,nsr,kips | |
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soNa Bintara Muda
Posts : 522 Join date : 30/03/2009 Location : kelana jaya|puncak jalil|gemas
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:15 pm | |
| - archonixm wrote:
- Aku x paham la
2 stroke 125cc = 17.86hp 4 stroke 150cc (cbr150)=17/18hp
padahal 2 storke nie dua kali je turun naik, sepatutnye dia nie 2x hp dr 4stroke patut 2 stroke dh 30hp dah camnie........xlogik btol?
sape bole terangkan? wan? amacam?
-edit-
aku check web, aprilia 125cc 2 stroke = 30hp
nie br the true power of 2 stroke
sedey tupai aku x kwat........yamaha jahat nie dengki kt tupai lol...nk bagi laici naik. mm..pada pendapat aku,HP ni datang bukan je dari CC moto tu..kite tak boleh compare dgn cara tu..sebagai contoh: 125z = 125cc = 17.86hpmoto A:-piston 53mm (stended) -blok stended -carb stended -ekzos stended HP = 17.86 moto B:-piston 53mm (stended) -blok porting maksimum -carb RXZ -ekzos open pipe HP = 23 (contoh) moto C:-piston 58mm (stended) -blok stended -carb stended -ekzos stended HP = 18.5 (contoh) dari contoh2 moto kat atas,kite boleh tgk yang moto C yang berCC besar tak menghasilkan HP yang besar pon jika dibandingkan dgn moto B.. n bagi RS125 sistem tambahan ada pada rekabentuk enjin n formula dia..ada perbezaan pada RPM tinggi yang memberikan tujahan yang lebih pada enjin dan membentuk HP yang lagi tinggi dari 125z yang hanya gunakan sistem basic 2 stroke enjin.. untuk pembandingan yang dibuat antara 125z dgn CBR150 tu tak sepadan aku rasa..sebab: 125z = basic 2 stroke enjin CBR150 = advance 4 stroke enjin*jadi,cuba kita compare basic sistem enjin antara 125z dgn wave125.. 125z = 17.86hp wave125 = 9.3hp dua kali ganda tak?.. *cuba bandingkan yang ni pulak..sama2 advance enjin sistem.. RS125 = 30hp cbr150 = 17/18hp tu la jawapan aku..mungkin pendapat otai lain berbeza mana tau.. malu je.. | |
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archonixm Laskar Muda
Posts : 47 Join date : 15/09/2009 Age : 37 Location : Puchong
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:43 pm | |
| The piston sweeps up and down inside the cylinder from Top Dead centre (TDC) to Bottom Dead Centre (BDC). The distance it travels vertically doing this is known as the "Stroke" of the engine and this is determined by the length of the crankshaft throw. The volume swept out is known as the "Swept Volume" and this is the capacity of each cylinder. Above the piston at TDC is the volume contained in the cylinder head gasket and combustion chamber - this volume is called the "Clearance Volume". Each time the piston goes through a cycle it compresses all the fuel air mixture sucked into the engine into the clearance volume before ignition takes place. The volume of a cylinder is calculated by multiplying the area of the bore of the cylinder by the length. In the case of an engine the length is the stroke length. The bore area is calculated as follows: Bore Area = Bore x Bore x pi / 4. (pi has a value of 3.14159) Normally we measure engine volume in cubic centimetres although engine dimensions are often shown in millimetres. We need to convert any measurements into centimetres before starting the calculations. Lets take the example of a VW Gti 1800 cc engine. The bore is 81mm and the stroke is 86.4mm. Converting into centimetres we get Bore = 8.1cm, stroke = 8.64cm. Copyright David Baker and Puma Race Engines Bore area is therefore 8.1 x 8.1 x 3.14159 / 4 = 51.53 square cm. Volume of 1 cylinder is bore area times stroke = 51.53 x 8.64 = 445.22 cc As there are 4 cylinders in the engine the total engine volume is 445.22 x 4 = 1780.88 cc. Compression RatioThe compression ratio is defined as (Swept Volume + Clearance Volume) / Clearance Volume We already know the swept volume of each cylinder from above - let's assume the clearance volume of each cylinder is 55.6cc - what is the compression ratio? Compression ratio = (445.22 + 55.6) / 55.6 = 9.0 If we divide the swept volume alone by the clearance volume we get a number which is 1 less than the compression ratio: 445.22 / 55.65 = 8.0 Aku rasa mcm kene amik kira skali compression ratio, sebab hanya cc yg hanya kiraan bore+stroke x menunjukkan ape2...tp ada satu ayat biasa kite dgr utk permotoran nie x kira kerete/motor. There is no replacement for displacement......Mungkin Aprilia 125RS nie compression dia gila tinggi tu yg meletup pegi tu...
Compression Ratio Aprilia 12.5:1 @ HP 30 Compression Ratio 125z 6.5:1 @HP 17
Conclusion = Comp ratio memainkan peranan penting utk mendapat HP sesuatu enjin.....
Hampir 2x ganda, tu pasal HP dia pn hampir 2x dari 125z...bole sape2 bagitau brape mm nak skim head nie nk kasi ratio 12.5 mcm Aprilia Piston ape nk pakai nie yg leh tahan 12.5 lol, aku rasa conrod,crankshaft smua kene tukau nie kalau x bengkok boleh.......enjin pn kene bagi sejuk nie....adus susahnyer...byk problem kene settle....... | |
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WKQ4913 Support Crew
Posts : 1565 Join date : 04/04/2009 Age : 37 Location : Sentul KL
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:52 pm | |
| haha klau nak laju cam aprilia,jangan pakai 125z..
even sesuatu motor tu sama CC n stroke,x semestinye HP pun sama..
xsemestinye CC besar hp besar..
*susahle aku nak taip panjang2 bagi paham ni,pe kate esok ko join TT aku crite A-Z...
*125z ni dibuat utk attack pasaran moped malaysia.. *aprilia rs125 plak untuk street racing pade pasaran eropah..
kan lain marketing target tu.. engineer build / design a stuff according to certain target..
nak laju cam aprilia stnded,modi 125z ko to totally cubprix spec tapi xbleh bawak daily..
macam yg sona ckp tula,nak compare kene sama kelas,baru nampak advance nye..
contoh :
Ninja250r Vs aprilia Rs250
due2 inline two,sistem cooling sama,due2 pakai carb
hp:33hp VS 64hp..
kan almost 2x HP..
nak compression tggi bukan takat skim head je,jek rod pun bleh,dari segi kawah/squishband kene oter..n belum tentu boleh capai ratio cam aprilia.. | |
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chocolate Laksamana Armada
Posts : 3215 Join date : 22/03/2009 Age : 37 Location : terengganu,bangi,kuala lumpur
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:40 am | |
| huhu 2 stroke x bleh compression tinggi sgt lor,nnt dia sesak napas hehehehe
4 stroke bleh kompress tinggi2 sbb dia punya volume tu mmg xleh lepas 100%..kl mcm 2 stroke dia punya volume utk compress tu bleh over 100%,sbb satu source dtg dr port minyak satu lagi source dtg dr backpressure oleh port ekzos hasil dr excess minyak yg terlepas kuar dr silinder sama2 ngan gas ekzos
kl compression tinggi gila2 alamatnya pecah la head huhuhu | |
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hasrul_90 Support Crew
Posts : 339 Join date : 12/06/2009 Age : 33 Location : K.Terengganu
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:25 am | |
| wan..aku pun nak dengar gak..he2..nanti ko citer kt ak mase grand tt..he2.. smpan baik dulu..nanti terlupe lak kan.. | |
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amex Laskar Kelas II
Posts : 806 Join date : 10/07/2009 Location : kepala batas n seberang jaya
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:37 pm | |
| aku nk tnye sikit....kompius ni.... exzos pon min peranankan utk RPM ni.... sebab moto aku kalau pakai paip standerd rpm nek tinggi lg dari paip opret... cth paip :- ori 100 kmh = rpm7 opret 100 kmh = rpm 5 ke moto aku yg prob??? | |
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WKQ4913 Support Crew
Posts : 1565 Join date : 04/04/2009 Age : 37 Location : Sentul KL
| Subject: Re: Horse Power @ RPM Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:31 pm | |
| - amex wrote:
- aku nk tnye sikit....kompius ni....
exzos pon min peranankan utk RPM ni....
sebab moto aku kalau pakai paip standerd rpm nek tinggi lg dari paip opret...
cth paip :- ori 100 kmh = rpm7 opret 100 kmh = rpm 5 ke moto aku yg prob??? haha pelik btol..jauh giler lari rpm ko.. *mmg btol ekzos main peranan tapi cume beze kalo pakai ekzos x standard,bleh tarik rpm lagi tggi..powerband lagi luas..sebab manifold besar / perut ade oter lain dar standard.. | |
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